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Linty · 2024-01-19 18:25:29

Hello,

I'm Willy (or Linty), a developer who recently joined the Piwigo team as an intern. I'm excited to be part of this community and to contribute to the development of Piwigo. We recently faced some issues with Piwigo version 14 and the FCK Editor plugin, particularly on the album editing page.

Today, I'm pleased to introduce a new plugin as a member of the Piwigo team: EditorPlus. This plugin aims to replace FCK Editor by integrating a powerful and modern WYSIWYG editor.

You can download the plugin here [[extension by Linty] EditorPlus] or directly from your Piwigo dashboard under Plugins > Add a plugin, and search for EditorPlus.

How does it work?:
After installing and activating the plugin, EditorPlus automatically adds the WYSIWYG editor to various defined text areas. You can also configure your editor and choose the elements you want in its "minify" version.

Feedback:
I will use this topic to see your feedback, suggestions, or bug reports, so please don't hesitate to share. Your feedback is crucial for continually improving EditorPlus and meeting your needs as best as possible.

Screenshots

homdax · 2024-01-19 20:08:40

will definitely try it out and get back...thanks

Schneider-Fotografie · 2024-01-20 00:18:51

Hello Willy.

Welcome to Piwigo. I immediately downloaded and installed EditorPlus.
He's class. It would be good if the editor could also be installed with the comment
and contact forms. Maybe in the next version? :-)

Best wishes
Olaf

Katryne · 2024-01-20 06:06:46

Olaf, Content and Contact form are on the public side and EditorPlus seems to be only for administration.

nobby · 2024-01-20 11:08:43

Hello,

I will continue to use the FCK editor. It works very well. The EditorPlus messes up the formatting I have made. It is not useful for me.

nobby

Linty · 2024-01-20 15:18:00

homdax wrote:
will definitely try it out and get back...thanks

Hello homdax,
Looking forward to your feedback :D

Schneider-Fotografie wrote:
Hello Willy.

Welcome to Piwigo. I immediately downloaded and installed EditorPlus.
He's class. It would be good if the editor could also be installed with the comment
and contact forms. Maybe in the next version? :-)

Best wishes
Olaf

Hello Olaf,

As Katryne said, EditorPlus is only in the administration. Then I'll have to have a look but I'm not sure that the comments and contact forms accept HTML tags etc. so the relevance of having an WYSIWYG editor in these places becomes useless

nobby wrote:
Hello,

I will continue to use the FCK editor. It works very well. The EditorPlus messes up the formatting I have made. It is not useful for me.

nobby

Hello nobby,

It would be interesting for me to see how EditorPlus reacts on your site. You may not be the only one in this situation.
By the way, EditorPlus uses Quill, but it's perfectly possible to add other editors and leave it up to you to decide which editor you want to use. We could add CK Editor 5, but it's quite possible that it won't integrate as well with Piwigo, but in your case it might be preferable to have CK Editor rather than Quill. We'll have to think about it... Thanks for your feedback

homdax · 2024-01-20 17:53:40

While I am all for removing functionality that do not need to be used, I find EditorPlus a pretty huge step down from FCK. Considering I have used TinyMCE for "decades" in other platforms, before they started to demand payment for more advanced functionality, I think it is a bit too much of a reduction of functionality.

I have not done any thorough testing, I assume the editor will generate good code, but I find I am better off with Piwigo's implementation of FCK Editor.

Not sure where in all the possible places FCK Editor is available, but I think most, and even if @Katryne differentiates between administration and user interaction I have just today made a post where I want the editor, any editor, to be more generally available even to users. Particularly for photo descriptions.

Katryne · 2024-01-20 18:15:44

homdax, it depends on what you get in your CKEditor tools bar. Here is mine in my Piwigo :

I am used to it and I certainly will miss some commands with EditorPlus.

homdax · 2024-01-20 18:35:03

Of course, one can customize that and I have the standard set:

While I could do with maybe half of them, I rather not have to pick and choose. Perhaps subscript and superscript could be removed, if any... ;) Oh, and Flash Player, of course

But nothing comes free nowadays: https://ckeditor.com/pricing/#plan-ckbox

OMG, we are two main versions behind in Piwigo... jeez... that could be bad.

Last edited by homdax (2024-01-20 18:42:42)

homdax · 2024-01-21 09:42:22

nobby wrote:
Here is the representation in the normal view and in the code view. The whole thing is very off.

https://piwigotest.germanfoto.de/screen1.png

Quellcode

https://piwigotest.germanfoto.de/screen2.png

Well it seems obvious you are using a lot more than Editorplus can offer, even borderline what I would do with FCK Editor... I would consider stepping up to VSCode ( https://vscodium.com ) for such things, and perhaps drop tables and go for DIV, but regardless, tables or div are is still a bit messy to handle and demands focus and structure.

Linty · 2024-01-22 17:02:21

First, thank you all for your feedback, you make me happy.

homdax wrote:
I think it is a bit too much of a reduction of functionality.

I quite agree with that. Compared to CKEditor, Quill is less complete but allows better integration.

nobby wrote:
Here is the representation in the normal view and in the code view. The whole thing is very off.

https://piwigotest.germanfoto.de/screen1.png

Quellcode

https://piwigotest.germanfoto.de/screen2.png

Oh okay, now I get it. I can already start by dealing with this problem and having an indentation in preview mode with the Quill editor.
Then, after your initial feedback, I realize that it might be useful to integrate the latest version of CKEditor into EditorPlus and let the user choose between Quill and CKEditor.

The problem with CKEditor is that the older versions are no longer maintained by the developers, so if any flaws or other issues are discovered in these versions, they'll never be fixed. And they've completely changed their product policies, now there's a free open source version and a paid version. The problem is that the free version has become an advertising hoarding for CKEditor, and I don't think that's a good thing, because it makes ugly integration on our sites.

homdax · 2024-01-22 17:10:12

Linty wrote:
The problem with CKEditor is that the older versions are no longer maintained by the developers, so if any flaws or other issues are discovered in these versions, they'll never be fixed. And they've completely changed their product policies, now there's a free open source version and a paid version. The problem is that the free version has become an advertising hoarding for CKEditor, and I don't think that's a good thing, because it makes ugly integration on our sites.

I agree, Tiny has done the same. But what about at least an upgrade to v 4 CKE? I appreciate the efforts, but as I think is rather obvious that your implementation of Quill is so far rather meagre.

Is it this: https://github.com/quilljs/quill ?

Linty · 2024-01-22 17:38:47

Upgrading to CKEditor 4 was our first idea. But on the CKEditor website about version 4 it says: "CKEditor 4 reached its End of Life (EOL) in June 2023". They offer a version 4 LTS ("Long Term Support") but it's not free.

Yes, this is the Quill we use for EditorPlus and, as you can see, it's far less complete than CKEditor.

I think (as said above), we should integrate the latest version of CKEditor even if it doesn't integrate as well and has CKEditor logos all over it, leaving you the choice between Quill and CKEditor. And keep Quill as the default for users who don't need a lot of elements in their editors. Do you think this is a good idea?

Katryne · 2024-01-22 17:51:51

Well ... is the CKEditor 4 really risky ? After all, we have been using until now a FCK editor, which have reached its own EOL many years ago, and this without any known issue. Well except this thing with albums in the v.14 Piwigo.

Last edited by Katryne (2024-01-22 18:50:14)

homdax · 2024-01-22 17:58:18

Considering CKEditor 4 EOL is 2023 ( https://ckeditor.com/docs/ckeditor4/latest/index.html ), it may not be a huge disaster. I can stand a bit of ad spam (in the editor, not on the site), if that is to be endured for a better editor.

I have no clue as to what licensing may be involved for Piwigo to implement a full version of the latest editor, be that Tiny or CK. Is it even possible, last I worked with these things was in 2013, and the market has become very much greedy and moneygrabbing. GPL and FOSS is a thing of the past.

Last edited by homdax (2024-01-22 18:00:06)

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